One of the biggest challenges for organizations that adopt the cloud is aligning their development spend with business initiatives while managing and optimizing spend. That’s Joe Daly’s job at Nationwide, where he began overseeing the insurer’s cloud migration more than two years ago. I spoke to Joe about how this shift has created greater transparency, flexibility, and efficiency as we recorded it as a podcast.

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